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You suggest Google Toolbar collects Bing search results?


Inadvertently like the Bing toolbar. It has been shown to log every pageview like Bing toolbar. Whether they filter out the pageviews when a user goes to Bing no one knows besides Google. (ie: The article below shows they definetly do not filter it out at the application level as a Yahoo query is sent back by the Google Toolbar and Yahoo now runs on Bing).

http://www.benedelman.org/news/012610-1.html


Logging pages views with the Google Toolbar does not mean those those views are used for Google's search results.


Well MS now knows how to perform this sting, so I'm sure we'll hear if their results show up on google. Until then, you have zero evidence.


Sigh....Two things: 1) Performing this sting and it working or failing wouldn't prove if they did it in the past...The cat's out of the bag. Bing or Google could have easily changed their systems. (and I'm sure the way the two incorporate clickstreams into their search engine is VASTLY different)

2) More importantly, why would Microsoft need to prove google is also using clickstreams? Microsoft does not believe using clickstreams is wrong.


> 2) More importantly, why would Microsoft need to prove google is also using clickstreams? Microsoft does not believe using clickstreams is wrong.

If they can make Google a hypocrite, the issue goes away. that's motivation enough for Bing to investigate the Google side (though I doubt they'd find much).


You cant make excuses for a lack of evidence. Like if you're caught copying someone's homework, you can't say "but nobody can prove he didn't also copy from me earlier". It's ultimately irrelevant; you can't conclude anything out of ignorance.


Even if they don't collect and use Bing outclicks in their calculations... if they're using clicks, and load-times, and view-times, and order-of-visit information from third-party unaffiliated Google sites, including potentially sites with robots.txt blocks against crawling, then they're doing things almost entirely analogous to Bing.




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