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> since it necessarily requires the government slowly align, and converge, with those people, so they they are never offended and never cause harm.

"Those people" are not the ones who dictate whether something is hate speech. Whether someone is offended is not a factor in hate speech laws. When I said "incite people to harm others" I am talking about physical harm or violence. It is perfectly legal to offend people in Germany.



> It is perfectly legal to offend people in Germany.

No, wrong, it isn't.

https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/183a.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/166.html

Sexual and religious offense. Both predicated on someone being (even just possibly) offended.

https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/185.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/188.html

General offense, usually only prosecuted if the offended wants it (but the prosecutor has discretion to proceed without). Harsher punishments if the offended is a politician.

https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/104.html Even just offending other states by burning flags is punishable.

So you couldn't be more wrong. (I personally think those laws are BS and should be done away with.)


I don't know what your point is here. You are citing particular laws in which a party is likely to be offended like public sex, defamation, and desecration of a flag. But the crime isn't that offense was caused. That offense is the byproduct of the actual crime.

Plus many of those are illegal in other countries too. You can't have public sex or defame people in the US either, but no one would say it is illegal to offend people.



FYI Austria and Germany haven't been a unified country in three quarters of a century.

My original comment was about laws against misinformation in Germany. That doesn't mean I endorse or need to defend all free speech laws in all of Europe.




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