I found Ezra Klein's chat with Jia Tolentino about Cocomelon and Bluey ... and parenting, zen, hallucinogens, attention and more ... one of the most deeply interesting things I have heard in the last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...

It's available "where you get your podcasts" (though might be old enough now to not be after the NYT added a paywall for old audio material)